#1 The Purpose of Man, His Higher Essence and Past Incarnations. Astral Travel Jul 8, 2019
TOPIC #1: Purpose, supreme essence, past lives, and astral travel (00:12 – 04:41)
The spirit (Limis) plans its incarnation with the Teachers, choosing conditions for raising its vibrations. It enters the cells at the moment of conception but inhabits the embryo at 7 weeks. Memory is blocked at birth through stress, but may be partially retained for the purposes of the current life. The spirit can leave the fetus's body in the astral realm.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Pre-birth life planning confirms the idea of karma and the soul's free will. Suffering is not a punishment but a lesson. Partial memory is God's mercy, offering a chance to correct mistakes without being burdened by the past.
Psychological: The idea of "memory blocking" explains early childhood amnesia (infantile amnesia). Attachment theory confirms the influence of prenatal experience. "Birth stress" is a metaphor for separation from symbiotic union with the mother.
Skeptical: The phenomenon of "children who remember past lives" (Stevenson's research) has documented evidence, but alternative explanations (cryptomnesia, suggestion) have not been disproven. The 7-week embryo timeframe is not coincidental — the neural tube begins to form.
Scientific: Maternal stress has been proven to affect the fetus. The existence of spirit and astral projections of the fetus cannot be proven. It remains to be proven: whether information transfer outside sensory channels is possible. Currently, this lies beyond the scientific paradigm.
TOPIC #2: Power plants and radiation transformation (04:41 – 07:19)
Modern power plants are a necessary stage. It is recommended to create a device that converts harsh cosmic radiation into electricity, light, and radio waves, while simultaneously removing radiation. Radiation is second-level energy that destroys first-level energy (molecules of the body).
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Technology is a tool for evolution, not evil. The idea of "cleansing radiation" through transformation reflects the principle: darkness is not destroyed but transmuted into light.
Psychological: The pursuit of an "ideal device" reflects the archetype of the philosopher's stone. Radiation as an "invisible threat" generates collective anxiety; the proposal to turn it into a resource reduces fear.
Skeptical: The described principle ("hard radiation into visible light") resembles Cherenkov radiation. However, direct conversion of radiation into electricity with purification does not exist. Currently, this is science fiction.
Scientific: Proven: radioactive decay changes an element. Converting gamma rays into electricity (nuclear batteries) exists. It remains to be proven: whether it is possible to "remove radiation" without physically removing isotopes. Deep space is a source of harsh radiation.
TOPIC #3: Animals, their souls, and human incarnation as an animal (07:19 – 12:01)
Animals were created for the evolution of material shells. A rational spirit (Limis) cannot incarnate as an animal due to nervous system incompatibility. There are animal souls (Eromes). After the body's death, the Eromes energy dissipates in the astral realm, followed by sleep and dissolution, not reincarnation.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: A clear distinction: a human has never been an animal in a past life. This differs from Eastern karma. Animals are beautiful but temporary vessels of consciousness, returning to God through dissolution.
Psychological: Refusing incarnation as animals removes the existential fear of regression. However, acknowledging an "Eromes soul" in animals is closer to biopsychism, where consciousness is gradient rather than discrete.
Skeptical: A convenient explanation: a complex nervous system = a rational spirit. Elephants and dolphins have mirror neurons, but proving whether an animal has "dreams" — or lacks them — is impossible by definition.
Scientific: Proven: higher animals possess consciousness and emotions (neurobiology). It remains to be proven: whether a qualitative difference exists between human and animal psyche or only a quantitative one. The existence of "Eromes" remains unprovable.
TOPIC #4: Sins, evil development, and the subjectivity of morality (12:01 – 14:34)
A sin is an action that hinders development in one's chosen direction (good or evil). If a person is developing in evil, then "evil deeds" are a virtue for them. There is no single list of sins; it depends on the ideal of development that the spirit sets for itself.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Shocking relativism for esotericism. God does not judge "evil" development — it is a path, albeit a low one. The true compass is increasing love and knowledge. Sin is not a violation of law but a deviation from the goal of one's incarnation.
Psychological: An accurate description of introjection: conscience is internalized environmental norms. Developing manipulative skills ("perfection in evil") is psychopathy. Goal substitution is the basis of cognitive dissonance.
Skeptical: Logically: if everything is relative, the term "sin" loses meaning. This evades the answer. But the contactee honestly shows that morality is not a cosmic constant but a function of the conscious mind's focal point.
Scientific: Proven: moral intuitions are universal, but their interpretation is culturally dependent. It remains to be proven: whether objective "low vibrations" exist or if this is a metaphor. The hierarchy of "evil development" is unprovable.
TOPIC #5: How to hear the Higher Self and distinguish it from fantasies (14:34 – 18:23)
The only path is spiritual development through recognizing the material as a tool for the spirit. The thoughts of the Higher Self (intuition) are always about fulfilling a task: increasing love and knowledge. Fantasies are about personal satisfaction and judging others. Everything that pulls toward egoism is rejected by the Higher Self.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: The criterion is simple and powerful: intuition is selfless and transcendent, fantasy is selfish. The Higher Self is the voice of service. Test: does the thought lead to peace and unity, or to division and pride?
Psychological: Corresponds to the distinction between intuitive (System 1, fast, automatic) and rational thinking (System 2). Judging others is a defense mechanism of projection. "Raising vibrations" is a metaphor for reducing amygdala activity.
Skeptical: Circular logic: "correct thoughts come from the Higher Self, incorrect ones do not." There is no objective marker. However, the practice of distinguishing "ego-noise" from the "still small voice" is described in many mystical traditions.
Scientific: Proven: intuitive solutions are sometimes more accurate than analytical ones (Damasio effect). It remains to be proven: whether a channel of information exists outside the brain. The existence of a "Higher Self" separate from the subconscious is unprovable.
TOPIC #6: Conscience as a reflection of past experience (18:23 – 20:18)
Conscience is a manifestation of the Higher Self through moral norms based on past incarnations. If the consequences of an action have already been experienced in a past life, the Higher Self, through a feeling of "wrongness," warns about this, even if logic and society say the opposite.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Conscience is a karmic navigator working in the background. It is older than any religion. If you feel "ashamed" for no reason — you may be repeating an old mistake. Trusting it is more important than the opinion of the crowd.
Psychological: The description perfectly corresponds to the effect of "unexplained antipathy" (intuitive avoidance of early trauma triggers). Transgenerational transmission of experience (epigenetics) is a scientific analogue of "past life memory."
Skeptical: A convenient explanation for any innate guilt. But why does conscience differ among different peoples? The answer "different past experiences" is not falsifiable. Nevertheless, the phenomenon of "conscience as an internal judge" is subjectively real.
Scientific: Proven: moral sense has neural correlates (the insula). It remains to be proven: whether epigenetic transmission of "moral experience" across generations is possible. It is unprovable that this experience comes from a past life rather than early childhood.
TOPIC #7: The ideal world of Esler and its drawback (20:48 – 24:41)
The world of Esler is governed by communities, not by a single person. Irina is satisfied, but as a scientist, she believes: the government should increase the share of exact sciences (mathematics, physics) in education, as there is currently an imbalance toward psychology, social sciences, and art.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Even in paradise, there is room for improvement. This suggests that perfection is infinite. Ironic: Earthlings want more spirituality, while Eslarians want more material science. Truth lies in balance.
Psychological: The ideal society in Jungian terms is a projection of the collective unconscious. The desire for "more exact sciences" reflects Irina's own personal need (analytical type) for structure and order to compensate for collective "spirituality."
Skeptical: An overly convenient mirror critique: "you are material, we are spiritual, but we lack your qualities." This creates a false balance. The absence of war and propaganda is a hallmark of utopia, which is safe to criticize in small details.
Scientific: Proven: a deficit of exact education leads to a decline in critical thinking. It remains to be proven: whether a stable civilization without a single leader, with communal governance on a planetary scale, is possible. Currently, this is a hypothetical model.
TOPIC #8: Lies, deceit, and propaganda on Esler (24:41 – 27:53)
Lying is not a property of a civilization but of a spiritual level. On Esler, there is no state-sponsored lying (no wars or crimes against the people), but there is lying at the level of interpersonal communication. On Earth, by contrast, lying is developed at the level of state ideology.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Lying is disconnection from God. The existence of everyday lies even among highly developed beings shows that absolute honesty is unattainable in duality. But the absence of systemic lying is a sign of a healthy polis.
Psychological: The distinction between interpersonal ("white") and systemic (ideological) lies is important. Collective self-deception (spiral of silence) is a disease of large hierarchies. In small groups, honesty is easier to maintain.
Skeptical: The claim "we have no propaganda" is the most convenient form of propaganda. Even the absence of news about bad things is already an ideology. Hard to verify, as we have not been to Esler.
Scientific: Proven: in small groups (up to 150 people), social control and trust are higher. It remains to be proven: whether a civilization without hierarchical lies is possible. The ratio of lies on Esler compared to Earth is unprovable due to lack of data.
TOPIC #9: Dreams as astral travels (27:53 – 30:16)
Dreams are partial memories of the spirit's journeys outside the body in the astral realm while the body sleeps. The spirit does not tire. Lack of awareness in dreams is related to the body's desire to sleep. Memory loss upon waking is a protective reaction to avoid being distracted by astral images for the sake of survival.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Ordinary dreams are unconscious astral projection. Lucid dreams are training for the spirit. The "memory erasure" defense is merciful; otherwise, we would confuse the worlds. The task is to learn to remember and act consciously even during sleep.
Psychological: Fully corresponds to the activation-synthesis theory (Hobson): dreams are the interpretation of random brainstem signals. But the "spirit exit" hypothesis explains why dream content often goes beyond personal experience (archetypes).
Skeptical: A classic esoteric explanation. The effectiveness of lucid dreaming proves that one can "remember oneself" during sleep. But the connection to the astral realm is unprovable, as any "exits" can be simulated by the brain.
Scientific: Proven: REM sleep phase with high brain activity. Proven possibility of lucid dreaming. It remains to be proven: whether information obtained during sleep exists that cannot be explained by memory and deduction. The separation of consciousness from the brain is unprovable.
TOPIC #10: Chicken or egg? Guided evolution (30:16 – end)
The egg came first, as the information for the chicken's body was encoded in the cell's DNA. Evolution was guided by divine energy. Natural selection and genetic change under environmental conditions are correct, but they are tools of divinely guided evolution.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: God is not a watchmaker but a programmer. Evolution is neither random nor totally predetermined. The answer "egg" resolves the paradox: the container with the program (egg) must exist before the executor itself (chicken).
Psychological: A classic answer to resolve cognitive dissonance between religion and science. Many believing scientists (Collins) accept theistic evolution. Removes anxiety about the "meaningless" randomness of mutations.
Skeptical: Biologically: the egg cell (gamete) appears evolutionarily earlier than the chicken as a species. But "divine energy" is an external addition, unnecessary for explanation. The contactee simply chooses a scientifically correct answer (egg) and attaches a "God" tag to it.
Scientific: Proven: mutations are random, natural selection is undirected. Proven evolution from reptiles to birds via egg-laying ancestors. It remains to be proven: whether the directionality of evolution has an external (teleological) cause or is merely apparent. The intervention of "divine energy" as a guiding factor is unprovable.
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Link: https://blog.cassiopeia.center/prednaznachenie-cheloveka-ego-vysshaya-sushchnost
#1 Human purpose, his higher essence and past incarnations. Astral travels
00:12
Host: - Mid, please tell me, did the Americans land on the Moon?
Irina: - Yes.
00:14
Host: - Coincidences are not accidental, is that so?
Irina: - Yes, that's right. Everything has its meaning and its purpose.
00:23
Host: - Who or what creates them, and is it possible to influence them consciously?
Irina: - The Spirit itself creates them before incarnation, but in union and council with consultants from the spiritual world, whom you call higher teachers. They always create and send the spirit into those circumstances and conditions that will promote its development and the growth of spiritual vibrations within it in comparison to material ones.
Host: - Thank you.
00:53
Host: - At what moment does the spirit enter the physical body? At the moment of sperm production, or at the moment of egg production, or at the moment of their fusion, or a little later? Does it come from the parent or from outside?
Irina: - When parents are chosen for it.
Conductors escort the spirit for incarnation at the moment of conception. That is, at the moment when the male and female cells fuse, the spirit that will incarnate, while still remaining outside, introduces its life force into these cells and stays near the mother. It can leave her and fly around in the astral, but its life force will be in the cells. But it directly enters the embryo itself at the 7th week of development, because before that the nervous system of the earthly fetus does not allow it.
Before entering, its memory is blocked. It settles in there and for the rest of the time in the mother's womb, it adapts to the new body. Of course, it can temporarily leave it and fly in the astral. It will have vivid images and memories, you yourselves know that the fetus in the mother's womb also sleeps and wakes up. At birth, the stress that the child experiences, going through pain and fear, erases the last remnants of memory that remained in it, and it perceives the world already as an infant, and begins to develop and grow. But the experience it accumulated in past incarnations directly affects it, therefore, with the same methods of upbringing applied to different children, different people turn out.
Host: - Understood, thank you!
03:45
Host: - Can information about past lives be preserved in a child?
Irina: - Information about past lives can be preserved. The spirit's memory may not be completely blocked. But this is done so that in its current material incarnation it can apply this knowledge for some purpose of its own, the purpose for which it incarnated, if these are positive memories. And if these are negative memories, this experience is left so that, finding itself in new conditions, it can reconsider its attitude towards those things that happened in the past life and caused low vibrations in it.
Host: - Thank you.
04:41
Host: - There are many power plants on the planet. How do you feel about them, and what options for energy extraction do you recommend?
Irina: - Power plants are a stage of development that we went through, and it is necessary for you. We recommend creating the device that is in our ships and allows us to turn on the gravity engine and obtain a plasma field. As you saw on the diagram, there is a power unit there.
The principle of its operation is based on converting hard cosmic radiation into visible light, electricity, and radio waves, partially released from this energy... If you create such a device, you can simultaneously remove radiation where it is elevated and convert huge amounts of electrical energy from that radiation.
Host: - You probably just read my next question...
06:21
Host: - What is radiation?
Irina: - These are second-level energies that do not need to be pushed out of matter; they come out on their own. At the same time, one substance changes into another, losing energy. This radiation energy can damage the first-level energy found in the molecules of the human body.
Host: - I understand, Mid, thank you!
07:19
Host: - Why are animals on Earth? Reptiles, insects, other creatures, and is it permissible to eat them?
Irina: - I grew up on Esler, and what happens here with animals is, of course, unusual for me. But I know that this is part of your civilization, your culture, and there can be no changes in that your food industry is based on animal husbandry and crop farming, and it cannot be any other way for you here. Of course, all forms of animal bodies, insects, what you call birds, and so on – God, when creating conditions for the evolution of all these material shells, of course knew how they would be used by incarnated spirits. And it is no coincidence that the bodies of Earthlings and some other humanoid races are created precisely with the ability to digest animal proteins, not just plant-based ones.
Host: - Thank you.
09:35
Host: - Can a spirit incarnate into an animal?
Irina: - If we are talking about a rational spirit – a Limis – then it can only incarnate into a being whose nervous system allows it, whose brain and nervous system structure allow it to think, perceive, dream, and do everything that rational spirits do. The nervous system of an animal does not have the capacity to do this, so they have different vibrations, and it will not be able to connect its life force with the animal's body.
10:19
Host: - What kind of spirits incarnate into animals?
Irina: - There are animal souls called Eromes. After the death of the body, they also leave them, remaining in the astral space for some time. They usually wander around the place where the body died. It also depends on whether it's a wild animal or a domestic one? The degree of development of its animal soul... In your earthly reckoning, the energies that constituted the animal soul gradually dissipate in the astral space, and the animal enters a state of sleep. It simply falls asleep, forgets everything, and dissolves.
Host: - Thank you, Mid.
12:01
Host: - An interesting question. How many human sins exist and what are they?
Irina: - Sins? I ask you to explain what sin is for you? I can speak a little in my own terminology.
Host: - Sins are things that negatively affect the development of the human spirit.
Irina: - And what do you see as the development of the human spirit? I need to know this to answer. In your understanding, what is sin? To convert my terms and concepts into yours.
Host: - Thank you, this question does not need to be answered. I know the answer. I will answer the person myself. It's just that the questions were written by a person who is interested precisely in how you will answer these questions.
Irina: - Development can be in different directions. And accordingly, things that hinder development in one direction or another. Various things can be called sins. If he meant development towards good, then evil deeds will be called sins. But unfortunately, there is development in the opposite direction – it is also considered that I am developing by perfecting myself in evil deeds, making them more sophisticated. And then, for those levels of consciousness, the opposite things will be evil deeds.
Host: - Thank you! How interesting you answered...
Irina: - Therefore, I asked what development means in that person's understanding? What ideal for his development has he set? The quantity and quality of sins will depend on that ideal.
14:34
Host: - How to learn to hear your Higher Self correctly? How to distinguish its thoughts from your own? That is, from that noise in the head that a person has invented for themselves?
Irina: - In your human body, there is only one way to know the will of the Higher Self. That is, the Higher Self is you yourself, but having access to information about the past and your tasks. This is a term to make it clearer to you that this is a level of consciousness higher than yours, in which you usually reside in the material world.
How to transition to the level of consciousness of the Higher Self?
For you, this can only be achieved through spiritual development. That is, recognizing that material achievements, although important, are important as tools for spiritual improvement. After you understand and realize this with your entire being, you will transition to a new level of vibrations that will allow your thoughts from the Higher Self to enter your consciousness, but you will call it intuitive experience.
How to distinguish it from your fantasies?
Fantasies are largely reflections of your desires to obtain satisfaction, in a sensory sense or more subtle ones. But the Higher Self, intuitive insights, will tell you not about this, but about fulfilling your task. Usually, this is increasing love in yourself and in the world, increasing knowledge, cognition – everything that brings you closer to divine vibrations. All those thoughts and feelings that bring you closer to this are the Higher Self within you. Everything that pulls you back into condemning others and into thoughts that you only need to love yourself is a rejection of the Higher Self.
Host: - Thank you, I am grateful.
18:23
Host: - What is conscience and does a person need it?
Irina: - This is another reflection of the Higher Self, but already more connected with the moral norms of society. That is, in everyone, as you know, the spirit, when incarnating, has blocked memory of the past. Moral norms manifest in it as feelings of what is permissible and what is not. That is, in your language, this is called manifestations of conscience. If the act you committed, its consequences have already been experienced in a past incarnation, then your Higher Self, through conscience, will indicate that it is wrong. That is, you may not even know why it is so, but you will have a clear feeling, even if everyone around is acting that way and it is normal for them. You will have a clear feeling that this is wrong, that you need to move away from it, and you yourself are often unable to explain to yourself on a logical level why it is so.
Host: - Thank you, a very interesting answer.
20:18
Host: - Why did the Notre-Dame Cathedral burn down?
Irina: - I am engaged in contacts with contactees and do not follow the news in your world.
Host: - Alright, thank you very much, I hear you, let's move on.
20:48
Host: - You describe your world as ideal, but what dissatisfies you in your world? What do you disagree with?
Irina: - I can only speak about Esler or about the Interstellar Union.
Host: - For now, I am only interested in Esler, your personal opinion regarding your planet, your world.
Irina: - In general, I am quite satisfied with our government. It is structured a little differently for us. The hierarchy of society. We are not ruled by one person; we are ruled by a community. Each city has its own community. From each community, one or several Eslerites are chosen to create, well, one could say, a planetary government. The laws passed on Esler seem quite fair to me, and what I don't like there... Thinking as a scientist, I believe our government should pay more attention to upbringing... We have community schools, as you would say, where we take children... I think our government should pay more attention to instilling in children not only the concept of the spiritual component but also, like you, pay more attention to the purely physical sciences. For us, all this is specialized. Not everyone studies, for example, mathematics or exact sciences to such an extent. Only if you choose the specialization of a scientist will you study that; otherwise, our education is more focused on the study of psychology, social sciences, and art. I would increase the proportion of exact sciences.
Host: - That is, here we would increase the proportion of spiritual sciences, and you would like to increase the proportion of material sciences... Thank you very much, I understand!
24:41
Host: - Do you have the concept of deception, lies, falsehood, and do residents deceive each other?
Irina: - The concept of deception, lies, and falsehood – these are what you might call sins, in the sense that they separate you from God, from his energies. This is not a characteristic of civilizations, but of the spiritual levels from which spirits come. As I already said, in any monastery there is a sinner, and in every prison there is a saint.
Host: - So you have lies and deception, but to a lesser extent?
Irina: - Looking at the level of governments, the level of ideology, propaganda... There is less lies in the sense that we have no wars and other crimes against the people like you do, so governments have no reason to say that everything is fine when everything is bad. And if lies and deception exist with us, it is usually not at the level of state ideology, which is usually very developed with you, but at the level of interpersonal communication, but lies always have some purpose.
Host: - Thank you.
27:53
Host: - What are dreams and where is our spirit actually while we sleep?
Irina: - Dreams are partial memories of out-of-body travels. The fact is that your nature allows you to be in astral space while the body sleeps. Since the spirit itself does not need rest, unlike the physical body, while the body recovers, the spirit leaves it, similar to how you do by putting your car in the garage... What you call dreams are partial memories of what happened.
And why partial? Because you were unconscious. Your body wanted to sleep, and you left with that desire and were in it, so you did not consciously perceive yourself. Returning to the body, when connecting with it, you lose those last shreds of memory you had, as you immediately pay attention to the material world and begin to act in it. This is a protective reaction of the subconscious, aimed at surviving in the material world. After all, people lived in the past; they had to start acting after sleep for their safety, and by being distracted by astral images, they could harm themselves.
29:55
Host: - So it turns out that in dreams we go out into the astral?
Irina: - Yes, the astral is the more modern name for that part of the spiritual world where the souls of people go when their bodies sleep.
Host: - Thank you!
30:16
Host: - Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Irina: - The process of evolution is described by you generally correctly, but evolution was directed by divine energy in all beings. That is, even initially, when parts of cells connected with each other, these protein molecules and so on, they connected under the influence of Divine energy. It was directed evolution. Then organisms gradually improved according to living conditions. Natural selection took place – that's all correct. Because the genetic set can change gradually depending on living conditions. And those birds, those beings from which your modern chickens descended... It was not the chicken or the egg that appeared first, but information in the DNA about their body, naturally it was encoded first in a cell, but what kind of cell can it be from which the chicken itself is obtained? It is naturally the egg.
Contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations - Irina Podzorova
Answers to frequently asked questions
Published July 8, 2019
Participants: Host - Maxim Rusan, Contactee - Irina Podzorova.
