TOPIC 00:00 - Second Coming of Kirhiton. Irina sees a saucer, enters the neighbor's yard, climbs a ladder inside.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: The spirit is guided. Irina did not plan the contact, but Providence directed her. Her openness and absence of fear signify a soul ready for its mission.
Psychological: The eyewitness effect: an unexpected encounter in a familiar setting (neighbor's yard) reduces critical perception. The expectation of a miracle is reinforced by real sensory experience.
Skeptical: The story is typical: night, no witnesses, a "special" state. A ladder "just below the knees" is extremely inconvenient for a real climb but convenient for a memorable image.
Scientific: Physically unprovable. Science knows no "plastic-like" materials with such ladder properties. The absence of external light with internal illumination is possible but unrecorded by instruments.
TOPIC 03:12 - We are all "Gopneish". Daraalians call people and themselves "Gopneish" — a spirit in a material body.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Deep unity: no division into "higher" and "lower." All are incarnated spirits, erasing the egocentrism of human exceptionalism.
Psychological: A neologism ("Gopneish") creates an effect of authentic foreign culture. Grouping themselves with humans increases trust in the contact.
Skeptical: A convenient concept: aliens are almost like us but spiritually advanced. Classic anthropomorphic projection of earthly ideas about spirit onto extraterrestrials.
Scientific: The concept of spirit as a non-material entity lies outside the scientific paradigm. Science neither confirms nor refutes the existence of non-material consciousness.
TOPIC 03:52 - Daraalian time. They have 10 months in a year, 18 hours in a day, their own measures of time.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: The material world is unified in physics but varies in parameters. Spirits adapt to their planet's conditions; this does not negate their spiritual nature.
Psychological: Detailed elaboration of "alien" time units (close to earthly: 18 and 10) enhances the realism of the fiction, satisfying the need for logic.
Skeptical: The numbers 10 and 18 are suspiciously convenient for conversion to earthly hours. Real extraterrestrial chronology would almost certainly be incommensurate with ours.
Scientific: Astrophysically possible: exoplanets with different rotation periods exist. Commensurability with earthly units (hours, months) is a coincidence or anthropocentric modeling.
TOPIC 04:33 - What is the Interstellar Union. 116 civilizations, three creators of humans (Burkhad, Tumesout, Selbet) 3 million years ago.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Hierarchy of creation: higher civilizations are instruments of God. Our origin is not accidental but a design of the Union, giving Earth cosmic significance.
Psychological: The need for "divine ancestors" and an organized cosmos (the Union) reduces the fear of chaos. Specific names and numbers (116) enhance persuasiveness.
Skeptical: Paleocontact without a single artifact. The "3 million years" date predates Homo sapiens, making verification impossible. The idea of a Union copies the UN.
Scientific: No evidence exists for extraterrestrial intervention in human evolution. Genetics show common ancestry with primates. The panspermia hypothesis is unproven.
TOPIC 05:15 - Incarnated Spirits. God "gave birth" to spirits before creating matter. Difference between "to give birth" (part of oneself) and "to create" (without part of oneself).
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: A subtle theological distinction, close to the Christian "birth vs. creation." Spirits are not toys but particles of the Creator, explaining free will and pre-material existence.
Psychological: A rational construction of theodicy: evil comes from spirits, not the Creator. The analogy "child vs. painting" is intuitively understandable and emotionally convincing.
Skeptical: An ideal irrefutable claim: no one remembers pre-material existence. The "forgetting" mechanism conveniently blocks any objections.
Scientific: The concept of "before the creation of matter" lies beyond physics. Science operates only within the material world from the Big Bang (if it happened). Fundamentally unprovable.
TOPIC 07:18 - And Kirhiton again. Second flight on a flying saucer. G-forces, weightlessness, hitting head on ceiling, nausea.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Trial by body. Through discomfort (nausea, impact), the spirit is hardened and convinced of the reality of physical contact, not just mental.
Psychological: Classic symptoms of vestibular disorder in weightlessness are described accurately. Hitting the ceiling is an expected mistake for a novice without gravity.
Skeptical: The explanation "without artificial gravity so they would believe" is paradoxical: it makes the contact less comfortable, hence more plausible for the storyteller.
Scientific: Behavior in weightlessness is described correctly (uncontrolled jumps). But the lack of seatbelts on a ship with thrust is illogical. The physics of g-forces during launch is not described.
TOPIC 12:20 - Base on the Moon. A cavern with atmosphere, temperature, and light. Weak gravity, jumps higher than Kirhiton's height.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: The Moon is not dead but inhabited — a hidden level of creation. We are shown only what we are ready to accept. The cavern as a symbol of hidden knowledge.
Psychological: Details (greenish walls, a warm legless table) create a sense of presence. The joy of jumping in weak gravity is an emotionally vivid detail.
Skeptical: The existence of huge inhabited caverns on the Moon with an earthly atmosphere contradicts all probe data. This is one of the weakest points from a scientific perspective.
Scientific: The Moon has a very thin exosphere and 1/6 g gravity. Jumps higher than height are possible. But a stable habitable cavern with 1 atm pressure without a dome has not been discovered (LRO data).
TOPIC 15:22 - Irina becomes a contactee. Three conditions: place/time twice a week, not tell (or risk disbelief), contact for life + chip.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: A mission requires sacrifice. The ban on evidence is a test of faith and humility. The contactee risks rejection by people for a higher purpose.
Psychological: Classic signs of cult dependency formation: isolation (not tell), obligations (for life), physical mark (chip). Rationalization: "I was interested in people's reactions."
Skeptical: The conditions are ideal for keeping the contact secret: no witnesses (don't tell), no evidence (forbidden). A penalty of "5 mental contacts" for absence is unverifiable.
Scientific: Mental contact without a chip is scientifically unproven. A chip as a physical object could potentially be detected by modern tomography (claimed to be X-ray invisible — difficult, but theoretically possible).
TOPIC 19:14 - Chip implantation. Chip 2 mm made of organic material under the left rib, for observation and mental communication. Pirzhiton puts Irina to sleep with a hand gesture.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Technology as service. The chip is not control but a channel of unity. The procedure is painless and safe because higher civilizations do no harm.
Psychological: Sleep by gesture is a powerful hypnotic pattern (classic trance suggestion). Detailed tactile sensations (warm, velvety table) are typical of hypnagogic states.
Skeptical: An "organic chip invisible to X-ray" is a classic unverifiable object. The absence of a post-operative scar or pain is highly improbable for any implantation.
Scientific: Modern science knows biocompatible implants. But a 2mm chip that is non-rejectable, eventually becomes part of the organism, and transmits location data — is on the border of fantasy. Unproven.
TOPIC 21:01 - Where do aliens know Russian from? Kirhiton learned it on Daraal from the Interstellar Union database. Other contacts (MidgasKaus) are astral.
COMMENTARY
Spiritual: Knowledge of languages is a minor ability of higher spirits. The Interstellar Union collects data on all civilizations, including earthly languages, for dialogue.
Psychological: The explanation "only Kirhiton knows Russian, he studied" removes the question "why do all aliens speak Russian?" A rational and economical solution.
Skeptical: A database containing Russian but lacking simple medical knowledge for humans is strange. Where did the Daraalians get this database if they have not contacted Earth?
Scientific: Technically, recording and analyzing languages is possible. But learning one specific earthly language without immersion is difficult. Not proven and not disproven.
Original transcript:
#5 Second contact with Kirkhiton from planet Daraal: 1st conference in Voronezh
https://blog.cassiopeia.center/vtoroj-kontakt-s-kirhitonom-s-planety-daraal
00:00 - The Second Coming of Kirkhiton.
Irina: Several days passed, and my mom asked me (it was around 10 PM, also in July) to go to the neighbor across the street to ask for something. I went. I knocked on his window, but no one answered. I see that his gate is open. I think, "I'll knock on the back door now, maybe he'll open it there." I go in. I need to walk through the yard to his porch. I'm walking. It's dark, I can't see anything. I approach the door, look – it's locked. I'm standing on the porch, thinking, "He's not home, I need to go." And then I felt like looking up. I hadn't heard, seen, or even thought about "them." I just raised my head – a flying saucer is hovering above me. Yes, not a triangle anymore, but a saucer. A very dark color. I look – round windows are visible, stars are reflecting in them, but the lights aren't on inside. It (the saucer) is about 6 meters in diameter. And about 3-4 meters from me, like this (shows). It descended very low. I looked at it and immediately understood – it's Kirkhiton. I wait to see what happens next. The saucer slowly flew away from me through the air, towards that man's garden. I think, "I need to follow it." And I ran. To see what would happen next. I was also watching my step – there was tall weeds in his yard, so I wouldn't fall. I look – it stopped. And I stopped. A ladder extended from it. A round hatch opened, a ladder extended from it. But not to the ground, just below knee level. And I see – this ladder has handles so you can hold on. They felt like plastic, not wood or metal. And I climbed up this ladder – it wasn't high – and entered the hatch. When I climbed inside, it surprised me too, it wasn't glowing. If you looked from the road, you wouldn't even see the saucer.
03:12 We are all Gopneish.
Question from the audience: What do they call themselves?
Irina: They say they are "from planet Daraal."
Question from the audience: Well, we are humans, but who are they?
Irina: Daraalians. Well, generally, in their language it's called "Gopneish," meaning a spirit embodied in material or dense-material body. They are Gopneish, we are Gopneish. They don't distinguish who is human, who is someone else. Simply, Gopneish are intelligent spirits in physical shells. We just live on Earth, and they live on Daraal.
03:52 Time the Daraalian Way
Question from the audience: Do they have a concept of time?
Irina: Yes, they do. But one revolution of their planet around its star takes 10 of our months. And one revolution of the planet around its axis takes 18 of our hours. They also divide everything into periods, maybe not exactly our hour or half-hour, they have their own measures. They also live in a material world and need some way to orient themselves.
04:33 What is the Interstellar Union
Question from the audience: And what is their interest here?
Irina: Their interest... In our galaxy, there is the so-called Interstellar Union. It consists of 116 civilizations, which include those THREE who CREATED US 3 million years ago. They are Burhad, Tumesout, and Selbet. They created us.
Question from the audience: What do the Daraalians have to do with it?
Irina: They didn't create us. But they are part of the same Interstellar Union that these civilizations created. In general, the Interstellar Union was created by Burhad and Tumesout. And Selbet helped them create us, humans.
05:15 Embodied Spirits
Question from the audience: Where did they come from? Everything comes from somewhere. Was someone who created them?
Irina: I will now answer according to their religion. But! Their religion is combined with science, it's one whole. They believe there is a Creator God. He first gave birth to all intelligent spirits – all of us sitting here – only we were without bodies yet. That is, we all appeared before the creation of the material universe, we just don't remember it. He gave birth to us (they distinguish these two moments), and He created the material world. That is, they distinguish the words "to give birth" and "to create." To give birth means to transfer part of oneself, to create means to make SOMETHING without giving part of oneself.
Question from the audience: Create – that means to clone, right?
From the audience: No, it's not cloning, it's different.
Irina: They give this example: it's the same as a person giving birth to a child and creating some material object, painting a picture. Isn't there a difference between his child and that painting?
07:18 And again Kirkhiton. Second flight on the flying saucer.
Irina: I climbed into the saucer through the hatch, and then it disappeared just like that door. You blink once – it's gone. Just a floor appeared, no crack, nothing. There was a semicircular room: gray walls, again there was light inside, but it wasn't visible from outside. That surprised me. And after that, all my other contacts were on the saucer.
Question from the audience: And it was Kirkhiton again?
Irina: Kirkhiton. I climbed up – he was standing before me. He said to me, "Let's go. We're flying to the moon base. We'll talk about your contacteeship." And he walked forward along a small corridor. It ends in a semicircular room. And again chairs on the right, but now with semicircular handles, like on buses probably, but a bit bigger. He said, "Sit down," and I sat down. Opposite were some boxes, and slightly higher were round windows. I sat on the chair. The previous triangle was a large ship, but this saucer is smaller. On the triangle, when we flew, they turned on an artificial gravity device, so I didn't feel anything. Since the saucer is smaller and intended specifically for contactees, it doesn't have that device. Kirkhiton also explained to me, "Our researchers, studying your psychology, Earthling psychology – our contactees – concluded: if we fly contactees with artificial gravity, it will be harder for them to believe they were in space." That's how they justified it. But I didn't know anything yet, I wasn't warned, he said "sit down" – I sat down. He approached, started pressing something, and after a few seconds I felt like I was falling somewhere. Like the chair was just dropping. But not expecting this feeling, I wanted to jump up. The chair is falling! Naturally, I wanted to jump up to not fall. But instead of jumping up, I jumped to the ceiling (it was about 4 meters high) and hit my head so hard on it that I saw stars. Then after the contact, I had a bump for probably one or two weeks. Instead of falling to the floor, I somehow hung in the air and immediately realized it was weightlessness. I had read and watched movies after all. I hung there and couldn't move. Kirkhiton turned around – he can't turn around like this (like a person), he turns his whole body, he has no neck. He turned around and saw it. He came over to me. And he walked on the ship because his shoes allow him to be attracted by some kind of magnetic field so he doesn't float around in this weightlessness. He came up to me, took my hand, and sat me back on the chair. He says, "Hold on!" I grabbed the handles. He walked back silently. And I felt my pulse pounding in my temples. I had never felt that before. My head was spinning, and when I looked at objects – they seemed to wobble. And I started to feel a little nauseous. An unpleasant feeling. It didn't last long, about 2-3 minutes.
12:20 Base on the Moon
He came out and says, "Let's go." I stood up, followed him, and felt that walking felt strange, as if I was pumped with some kind of gas, I was kind of bouncing. And moving was very easy, raising my arms. Those were the feelings. I say, "Where are we?" And we exited the saucer and found ourselves in a cave, a very large cave. He says, "This is a moon base. Normal temperature and atmosphere have been established in this cave. We don't need to wear protective suits." We didn't walk on the surface; we ended up directly in the cave. We went out – it was also bright, again no flashlights, it was bright. The walls were stone, the floor also stone. There was air. But it was quite cool. The cave was huge, the ceiling maybe 20 meters high. And amazed by this feeling, I started to jump. And when I jumped like that – I flew higher than Kirkhiton.
Question from the audience: There just wasn't that kind of gravity, right?
Irina: Yes. Kirkhiton says, "Let's go," and we walked to the wall. There was a round cave – we approached – there was a brown door. It lowered by itself. We went through – there's a narrow corridor, turns like this (shows), and doors on both sides of the corridor, black ones. We entered the second on the right, he opened the door, and again we were in a room with no corners, it was oval. And the walls weren't gray like in that cave, but greenish. And in this room there was a table, without legs, just rising from the floor, about chest-high for me. Also brownish. And there was another Daraalian there, looking like Kirkhiton.
15:22 Irina becomes a contactee or THE THREE CONDITIONS
Irina: Kirkhiton turns to me and says, "Do you agree to be our contactee?" I say, "What does that require?" (He answers) "For this, you need to agree to three conditions." I say, "What are they?" (He answers) "I will assign you a place and time twice a week." We lived in a village, we mostly had forest there. (He continues) "I will now take you to this place, I have already assigned it. You will come there in the evening, at the time I tell you, twice a week, Tuesday, Thursday, at the appointed time in the evening you will wait for me, and you and I will visit the planets of the Solar System first. When we have studied them, then the planets of the Galaxy. If you don't come, for each missed physical contact – and physical contact means he comes physically – for each missed physical contact, you and I will have 5 mental contacts." I say, "What is that?" He says, "It's a mental contact." But he didn't explain details of what mental contacts are. And I thought, "Well, somehow in thoughts, I guess." (Kirkhiton continues) "The second condition: it's advisable not to tell anyone about the contacts." I say, "What do you mean, not tell anyone? Not even my mom?" I lived with my mom after all. "You see," he says, "if you start telling people about the contacts, people will start asking you for proof, and we are forbidden to give proof. For certain reasons: military, political – it's dangerous for you yourself." But I later decided to tell people anyway, even without proof. He warned me that "if people then start treating you with distrust, we are not to blame." So I decided to tell everyone, because, firstly, I was interested in people's reactions, and secondly, to convince myself of all this, because when you just contact alone, doubts arise. You constantly go to contacts – the information overwhelms you...
From the audience: And what years those were... There was almost no literature... No Kryon, no various esoteric literature.
Irina: I was told that besides me, Kirkhiton has other contactees, but they don't tell anyone because they don't want to be considered liars or crazy.
Question from the audience: Why do they (the Daraalians) need this? What did they want through you?
Irina: I'll explain now. That's exactly about the conditions... So, I ask: "Not tell anyone? Not even mom?" (He answers) "It's not a complete ban, but if you tell, no proof will be given. We are forbidden to give proof." I say, "Okay, I agree." (Kirkhiton continues) "The third condition: the contact is established for life. Then, lie down on the table, we will now implant a chip in you."
19:14 Chip Implantation
Irina: I heard the word "chip" and, by the way, the word "mental" for the first time from him. And I say, "What is a chip?" (He answers) "It's a microdevice for observation. When we implant it in you, I will have the ability to be aware of what you are doing, where you are going, who you are talking to – everything will be visible, like on a screen. This chip will make mental contact between us possible, because without it, mental contact is impossible." I say, "Well, go ahead and implant it." He says, "Lie down on the table." I approached this table, put my hands on it. The table was warm to the touch, like silicone baking molds, it was exactly like that, sort of velvety and rubbery at the same time. I put my hands on it, jumped onto it, and lay down on my back. And Kirkhiton had said earlier, pointing to the other Daraalian, "His name is Pirzhiton. He will help implant the chip. But he doesn't speak Russian. On the whole of Daraal, only I know Russian, because only I contact you. I studied the language."
21:01 How do the aliens know Russian?
Irina: But I was always surprised that he knows Russian quite well, very well indeed. And he speaks without an accent. He studied on Daraal. They receive data from the Interstellar Union about our countries, languages, religions, sciences. They have an entire database on our planet.
Maxim: Her second contactee, who is in astral contact, also speaks Russian. This is MidgasKaus from planet Esler. And he studies what I call esotericism.
Irina: Yes, bioenergetics.
Maxim: He diagnoses people based on their internal vibrations. He sees all the same things in colors, sees bacteria. In general, he sees the vibrational world, the energetic one, and makes diagnoses. Plus, they are also studying our planet, our herbs, our medicines. Because they cannot give us (their medicines), and their task is to help us, to help us grow and develop. Continue, Irin.
22:26 Features of the alien chip
Irina: I lay down on the table. Kirkhiton and Pirzhiton came from both sides. I look at them – they look at me. And then Pirzhiton passed his palm like this in front of my eyes, my eyes closed by themselves, and I don't remember anything else. They turned off the lights for me. Then I opened my eyes – I don't know how much time passed – I'm lying on the same table. Kirkhiton stands next to me and says, "Get up. We've implanted everything." I stood up, examined myself – everything seemed fine. I say, "Where did you implant it?" He (Kirkhiton) says, "We implanted it under your left rib, the lower one." "What does it," I say, "look like?" (He answers) "It consists of organic materials, in the shape of a human hair, 2 millimeters long."
Question from the audience: So if you take X-rays, it won't be visible?
Irina: Yes. He told me exactly that: "All types of radiation pass through it: X-rays and so on. Also, it cannot be rejected by your body's immune system, and over time, after a few years, it will become completely part of your body. It is safe for you. That's it. Now I can observe you. Now you are our contactee."
Published: July 26, 2019
Participants:
Irina Podzorova - contactee with extraterrestrial civilizations;
Maxim Rusan - head of the "Cassiopeia" project.
